HavenForts: Construct JetFists - The Chronicles of Wargasm (Episode 2, NeoForts)
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Block capture prevention for those who want it: 2 methods
Now, just to set things straight, I don't dislike the ability to go in and capture other people's blocks to enhance my own structures, but sometimes it can get out of hand. When dealing with a limited commodity, or even a limitless one, this can make the gameplay just too difficult. Lets say both teams max out their blocks, but one team is considerably more skilled than the other and ends up stealing a quarter of one team's blocks in a round. The other team can't get them back due to skill, but the game has effectively shifted from getting the flags to getting the blocks back. Now lets say that one team can bolster their supply, but the team losing blocks is able to spawn new ones to replace the ones they've lost, it doesn't matter because the other team has effectively doubled or tripled their defenses. While either scenario is unlikely as such unbalanced team based skill is itself unlikely, there are still things that can be done to improve the situation, or make it fun in a different way even.
Method one is to change the unfreezing/capture feature an enemy engineer uses into a remover, while in essence this does what any weapon can do in a considerably longer amount of time, it takes one use away from the engineer, but gives them a whole new one with demolition. This would be determined by a cvar set by checkbox for listen servers and a config option for dedicated.
Method two adds to gameplay rather than changing it. Engineers are given a "shaped charge" type weapon similar in function to a SLAM. C4, being an inert substance, is very durable and can be shot at without exploding (an explanation for those who will complain about realism). The weapon gives an engineer the ability to booby trap key blocks, the engineer places the weapon on a block, similarly to a SLAM, and waits. When an enemy comes along to remove the block from its position, the weapon explodes through the block, destroying it, and killing anyone immediately on the opposite side of the block.
So as to prevent spamming of this weapon, there could be a limit to how many a team/individual player uses. Switching classes from engineer to anything else would remove the trap. If an enemy finds one, it's as simple as punting it off, or whacking it with a melee weapon, thus destroying it. If the block is destroyed without the trap being detonated, it is simply destroyed without detonating.
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Originally Posted by Jeffman12
Method two adds to gameplay rather than changing it. Engineers are given a "shaped charge" type weapon similar in function to a SLAM. C4, being an inert substance, is very durable and can be shot at without exploding (an explanation for those who will complain about realism). The weapon gives an engineer the ability to booby trap key blocks, the engineer places the weapon on a block, similarly to a SLAM, and waits. When an enemy comes along to remove the block from its position, the weapon explodes through the block, destroying it, and killing anyone immediately on the opposite side of the block.
So as to prevent spamming of this weapon, there could be a limit to how many a team/individual player uses. Switching classes from engineer to anything else would remove the trap. If an enemy finds one, it's as simple as punting it off, or whacking it with a melee weapon, thus destroying it. If the block is destroyed without the trap being detonated, it is simply destroyed without detonating.
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HOLY FUCK THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME! Just picture an engi unfreezing a block one second, and then BAM, BODY FULL OF FIBERGLASS THE NEXT. IT WOULD BE LIKE A MASSIVE FUCKING CLAYMORE.
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but srsly. that auctualy sounds pretty cool.
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wait what? joined jul 06 but this is his first post
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffman12
Now, just to set things straight, I don't dislike the ability to go in and capture other people's blocks to enhance my own structures, but sometimes it can get out of hand. When dealing with a limited commodity, or even a limitless one, this can make the gameplay just too difficult. Lets say both teams max out their blocks, but one team is considerably more skilled than the other and ends up stealing a quarter of one team's blocks in a round. The other team can't get them back due to skill, but the game has effectively shifted from getting the flags to getting the blocks back. Now lets say that one team can bolster their supply, but the team losing blocks is able to spawn new ones to replace the ones they've lost, it doesn't matter because the other team has effectively doubled or tripled their defenses. While either scenario is unlikely as such unbalanced team based skill is itself unlikely, there are still things that can be done to improve the situation, or make it fun in a different way even.
Method one is to change the unfreezing/capture feature an enemy engineer uses into a remover, while in essence this does what any weapon can do in a considerably longer amount of time, it takes one use away from the engineer, but gives them a whole new one with demolition. This would be determined by a cvar set by checkbox for listen servers and a config option for dedicated.
Method two adds to gameplay rather than changing it. Engineers are given a "shaped charge" type weapon similar in function to a SLAM. C4, being an inert substance, is very durable and can be shot at without exploding (an explanation for those who will complain about realism). The weapon gives an engineer the ability to booby trap key blocks, the engineer places the weapon on a block, similarly to a SLAM, and waits. When an enemy comes along to remove the block from its position, the weapon explodes through the block, destroying it, and killing anyone immediately on the opposite side of the block.
So as to prevent spamming of this weapon, there could be a limit to how many a team/individual player uses. Switching classes from engineer to anything else would remove the trap. If an enemy finds one, it's as simple as punting it off, or whacking it with a melee weapon, thus destroying it. If the block is destroyed without the trap being detonated, it is simply destroyed without detonating.
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zomg flare
also tl;dr
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good idea & wtf 06 u been just watching the forums for 3 years?!!?
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good idea & wtf 06 u been just watching the forums for 3 years?!!?
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wat
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I joined a long time ago for the maps, and apparently there's been a couple thread deletions?
Which brings up an interesting issue I'm having, I can only see 8 threads in the map showcase section, but it says there are 772 in the showcase forum. Anyone know what the deal is?
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Check your "Show threads with a date:" type thing. It might be hiding those old threads from you, a feature which usually stops new guys posting in threads which are ancient.
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Check your "Show threads with a date:" type thing. It might be hiding those old threads from you, a feature which usually stops new guys posting in threads which are ancient.
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...but which experienced guys do anyway.
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