Okay so this is bugging me.

SF is the only game I have ever played where i feel compelled to change teams if I end up with a bunch of idiots. I'm no elitist and I know I'm far from the best player sf has seen, but it's an incredibly frustrating experience in SF.

I'm going to use TF2 as an example here, because it is by far the best multiplayer game I have ever played. In TF2, if your team is full of idiots then you still have a chance of winning. Yes, it will be hard, but unlike SF, you are not guaranteed to lose. I think this exposes a significant flaw with the current incarnation of SF - it is simply too team-based. In TF2, a single player (in a 16 slot server, the way TF2 was meant to be played) has the ability to pull his or her team through to victory, whereas in SF, nearly no matter HOW good someone is, it's nigh-on impossible for their team to win if the rest of the team is retarded.

I don't know if this issue is being dealt with in 2.0, but I would like for the devs to look into it and see what they can do about it, because it's definitely the worst thing I've found wrong with this game. I'm sure other players on here get nowhere near as frustrated as I do when stuck with a bad team, but that doesn't make it not a problem.

I for one enjoy team-based games, but at the moment, it's ridiculous how much you have to rely on your team in order to win. I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks of it. It could be a non-issue, but if you think so, then I'd like to hear some valid reasons as to why you think so - just straight-up denying it doesn't make it go away either.

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sf_skiff

/agreed

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if you think about it, TF2 focuses on smaller groups making up teams in TF2, e.g. a Heavy and Medic, Engineer and Heavy, Pyro and Engineer, Demo and Solider. Then theres classes like Spies, Snipers or Scouts where you don't necessary need to have someone supporting you.

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food for thought, i suppose. Funny seeings as those are the three classes I play and enjoy most :P

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sf_skiff

They are supported by other classes. Only in a totally different way. Spies and snipers are no use for a losing team. Scouts can't get very far without other classes providing a distraction.

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Not true, if you've ever played with Black on TF2, he can play as a Spy and still kill me no matter how much I'm pwning his team. And a good Sniper can stop a Heavy + Medic ubercharge in its tracks by simply nailing the heavy as he comes out from cover or nailing the medic. Happens to me alot.

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So basically he's just being a good spy by killing you while you're busy trying to kill one of his teammates. That's how you kill good heavies :P. Bad ones you can just kill whenever the hell you want (unless you miss the hitbox for backstabs, then you're screwed).

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last night i capped 3 flags... almost no team help... on a team of idiots... and our team won.....

you are half right...

oh and btw... i build most of our base... and our flag was never taken because of it....

Yes but was the other team full of idiots also? Were you trickjumping to get in or did you rely on your team pulling apart their fort / ramping it for you?

It's not just black and white. There's all shades of grey (and probably some browns) in between. I'm sure your team did plenty of work defending your fort from the enemy.

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sf_skiff

/agreed