HavenForts: Construct JetFists - The Chronicles of Wargasm (Episode 2, NeoForts)
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11-08-2006
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Source Forts and admin dictators
In short, I have come to notice that many of the admins involved in the Source Forts community acts and behaves like dictators. Many times I have seen the abuse of admin powers, and mostly on the SOS and Digis servers. No names will be mentioned because I believe that the admins that do the things I talk about will recognize themself and their behaviour.
I have experienced admins that kills the enemy team repeatedly under the build phase, making it harder for them to build a good fort, admins that gives himself or his whole team special weapons and then ban people that argue against said use of admin powers, and admins that use no clip to spy on the enemy fort, or even taking the flag. Once, on SOS, a admin demanded players to build a block wall, and when a player refused, he banned him. I have also see how admins use the blind and/or burn-command on flag carriers. The global ban list have part in this, here on the forum we can all read how a big name in the admin-community thinks that putting a global ban on someone because she used the myg0t-tag on a server she was admin on is appropriate. A great deal of the admins cant take the easiest of discussions (Why cant you change map?, Why are you abusing your admin powers?, etc), instead they just kick or ban.
I have played alot of computer games, like CS and DoD, but I have never seen this widespread misuse/abuse of admin powers. And its sad, because Source Forts is a really great game.
This frequent acting from admins makes the gameplay annoying and in the end boring. No one wants to be slayed by the admin, no one wants to be burned or frozen while running with the flag, no one want members from the other team to sneak around your fort in the build phase, no one wants the enemy team to have superior weapons given to them by the admin, and no one wants to be banned for having a simple discussion with the admin.
It has to stop.
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11-08-2006
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I agree, all admins must be burned at the stake.
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11-08-2006
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The specific examples you gave there are disgraceful. If it's a clan server, you should inform the clan leader with the admin's name. If it was a DIGI's server, then report it to Tommie V (I think, don't hold me to that). I'll admit that there are times that I have short patience and will slay someone when they do somethign wrong instead of discussing it, but I never do anything to decrease the fairness of a game. I do noclip to the enemies base sometimes, but that is purely to check that everythign is in order.
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Spying on the enemy base... that's nonsense. I think no good clanner would have to do that. Mostly theyre bored or they check for griefers.
But I must say you're completly right. There are lots of admin abusers and it's really a shame. It just isnt fun playing SF and then suddenly someone has combine balls or a colt. I never saw someone really that cheating with noclipping and burning flag carriers. That's really ub0r-lame.
But hey, calm down, mostly it's just fun, and most admins just "abuse" in build by changing their color, etc.
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i played on a server where i got a ban because i scored 2 times....
but the server is now offline
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11-08-2006
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Yes, it sounds like youve received the short end of the admin abuse stick. I can personally vouch for everyone in -=Suverin=-. They would never do some of that stupid shit.
As was said, you should try to contact the clan leader directly with the admins name. If that doesnt take care of the problem, then you should probably find a new server to play on, because theyre all assholes :P.
And yeah, "spying". When I "spy" its because someone on the other team was like "OMG STOP GRIEFING", so i no clip on over there to check things out.
Personally, I judge things on a case by case basis. I usually give verbal warnings first, then I'll freeze the player and try to talk tohim again, then third offense is a 30 minute ban. Although if someone is being a total fucktard and doesnt respond to the first verbal warning I usually go straight to slay/ban.
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SOS I usually stay away from, because if the admins aren't abusing, they're...not doing ANYTHING.
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From my personal experience I've had major problems w/ admin abuse w/ SOS & Digis in the past. In Digis, it seemed like it was just a couple bad apples within the Digis community. With SOS, it seemed like the good admins were rarer. That was a few months ago, so don't take it as an insult if either of these clans/communities have cleaned house since I've had my problems.
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11-08-2006
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Communism works now?
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Seriously, while this topic makes valid points (Admins suck and should die by FIRE) what do you want it to achieve?
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11-08-2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
In short, I have come to notice that many of the admins involved in the Source Forts community acts and behaves like dictators. Many times I have seen the abuse of admin powers, and mostly on the SOS and Digis servers. No names will be mentioned because I believe that the admins that do the things I talk about will recognize themself and their behaviour.
I have experienced admins that kills the enemy team repeatedly under the build phase, making it harder for them to build a good fort, admins that gives himself or his whole team special weapons and then ban people that argue against said use of admin powers, and admins that use no clip to spy on the enemy fort, or even taking the flag. Once, on SOS, a admin demanded players to build a block wall, and when a player refused, he banned him. I have also see how admins use the blind and/or burn-command on flag carriers. The global ban list have part in this, here on the forum we can all read how a big name in the admin-community thinks that putting a global ban on someone because she used the myg0t-tag on a server she was admin on is appropriate. A great deal of the admins cant take the easiest of discussions (Why cant you change map?, Why are you abusing your admin powers?, etc), instead they just kick or ban.
I have played alot of computer games, like CS and DoD, but I have never seen this widespread misuse/abuse of admin powers. And its sad, because Source Forts is a really great game.
This frequent acting from admins makes the gameplay annoying and in the end boring. No one wants to be slayed by the admin, no one wants to be burned or frozen while running with the flag, no one want members from the other team to sneak around your fort in the build phase, no one wants the enemy team to have superior weapons given to them by the admin, and no one wants to be banned for having a simple discussion with the admin.
It has to stop.
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Well as Head of DigiS, I'd rather names be mentioned. Not naming them means they can't have anything done. How are we meant to know about admin abuse unless someone reports it. You blame us admins, but unless you report us, we can't do anything about it. As for the global banlist obviously that was me. I had the Dev's agreement to back me up so the ban was not lifted as far as i know.
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Originally Posted by PhilDerChill
Spying on the enemy base... that's nonsense. I think no good clanner would have to do that. Mostly theyre bored or they check for griefers.
But I must say you're completly right. There are lots of admin abusers and it's really a shame. It just isnt fun playing SF and then suddenly someone has combine balls or a colt. I never saw someone really that cheating with noclipping and burning flag carriers. That's really ub0r-lame.
But hey, calm down, mostly it's just fun, and most admins just "abuse" in build by changing their color, etc.
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As far as that goes i agree, a guy shouts GRIEFER and an admin will noclip over there to inspect the damage. Freezestatus and what not. Plus why would you noclip when most build walls are translucent
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