. it's almost impossible for governor romney to win the election without winning ohio. the president's lead has been five, six, seven, eight points. it's tightening like it is everywhere else. still, five points is a pretty good, solid lead in a republican leaning state that, as i said before, governor romney has to have. the obama people for reasons of the ground game, for early voting as governor rendell suggested, because of the power of the labor unions, because of the strength of the recovery there, and the role of the auto bailout in ohio, they feel like they're going to be able to hold that lead there. if they do, they're probably going to be able to win the election. >> we always say -- the experts always say, like yourself, john, that the republicans need to win ohio. i think that ohio always goes to the winner. the last time it didn't go with the winner was the kennedy race, and kennedy used to have the biggest crowds in the world in ohio. he used to say even kidding nixon, how come i got the crowds and you got the votes? do the democrats need to win ohio? or just the repub