that anybody has quite said this as flatly that i'm going to say this. i think obama won this hands-down, i really think he was strong, not just stronger than he was, but stronger in many of the areas that some of us commentators have missed. on women, the hispanics, he hit the base really hard. some of those folks felt disparity, i think he needs to show up on that. larry, i think you made a great point, but it is not valued. but what obama tried to do at the opening of this debate was really lay out a plan, he talked about manufacturing, he talked about exports and tax incentives, education, opportunity and fiscal ideas that will truly get the budget on the sustainable path. i just thought he was firing on all cylinders, did a great job, the last hour was terrible for mitt romney, both on benghazi -- >> let's talk to rob portman, a member of the senate budget committee, john, over to you. >> maria, thank, senator portman, i know you don't have a lot of time. but plainly, president obama was a lot stronger this time around. how does this net out in your home state of ohio which could be th