to tell people who you are, michael birdsong, you are a livestrong volunteer from way back, way back, your wife is a cancer survivor, you raised a lot of money, you helped, things have changed now. so where do you stand now with the livestrong foundation? >> i had not worked with them at all since 2010. my official role with them ended at the end of 2008, in 2009 and 2010, i helped a friend out who was doing a charity ride. i was her web master, so i was kind of like one degree removed. but it was more -- i was helping her. i really -- the livestrong part didn't really play into it. so 2008 is when i stopped. >> you said you want your money back, why? >> the livestrong, and mr. armstrong are tied at the hip. there is no way of really separating either of them. several athletes out there have foundations. the cyclist, tyler hamilton had one, i believe it dealt with ms. no one ever really heard about that. tyler didn't win, you know, the tour de france. the results that mr. armstrong had in the tour de france directly benefitted the building of the lance armstrong foundation, and then they r