to get to that, but i first want to get just your remembrances of senator george mcgovern who died today at the age of 90, because in some ways he played a pivotal role as the democratic candidate in 1972 in the midst of a war. >> he was a great statesman. i knew him quite well, and i'm very saddened. i think he will be remembered, obviously, for his stance on the war in vietnam, for his bomber missions, but also for his contributions on agriculture, on hunger, and then the democratic party. he transformed the party. the primary system, getting minorities involved. he was a gigantic figure and a classy, good, good guy. >> he probably had nothing many common with senator mcgovern politically. >> george actually was a very complicated person. he was not a pacifist. he was a citizen. i remember being with him in rome for dinner one night talking about he and goldwater, and he said one of the nice things about losing badly enough was he don't have lots of regrets about what one thing might you have changed, and he had a very good sense of humor, and he was a very down to earth guy who later