Jerry Mander, an advertising guy in the 1960s who collaborated with David Brower's early Sierra Club campaigns against damming the Grand Canyon and many others, went on to write "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television", "In the Absence of the Sacred" and was a cofounder of the International Forum on Globalization. He is interviewed here as part of the wide-ranging "Ecology Emerges" oral histories of the early ecology movement, traversing the era from the 1950s-60s all the way to the present. Among much else, he speaks here about the early efforts to support Brower both in the Sierra Club and later in the fledgling Friends of the Earth.